After nearly two years, DEF CON CHINA will restart on the occasion of the Spring Equinox in 2021, allowing geeks around the world to connect again.

On March 20, Baidu Security teamed up with DEF CON to hold the world's first all-VR geek conference DEF CON CHINA Party online, and held a small-scale offline geek reunion in Beijing at the same time.

Jeff Moss, founder of DEF CON, expressed his support for the holding of the DEF CON CHINA Party and this groundbreaking event format. In his speech, he said that this is a brand new attempt, combining the concept of Party and the spirit of DEF CON. And he was able to meet geeks in VR and imagine the future together.

As the most important part of this DEF CON CHINA Party, Jeff Moss and Ma Jie then had a conversation with Apple co-founder Steve Waugh in the form of VR. Steve Wozniak discussed topics such as geek growth, innovation and entrepreneurship, AI, and virtual space.

During the exchange, Wozniak said that AI is the best answer to solve the limitations of human cognition, and it also reflects the value system of its creator. We should think about how to use AI in a human way, not be dominated by the logic of technology, and let technology serve humans. He is also excited about the virtual world presented by DEF CON CHINA Party. He believes that VR is on a good development track, and a new Internet is likely to appear in the virtual space.

Indeed, the construction of the VR world breaks through the limitations of time and space, making the science fiction scenes in the movie come into reality. Beyond previous DEF CON CHINA, DEF CON CHINA Party has also achieved a broader expansion of the geek spirit and welcomed more "cross-border geeks" to join.

Among them are industry leaders represented by Kai-Fu Lee and Feng Tang, art luminaries led by Gina and Wu Qingfeng, and new-generation trend pioneers such as Nai Wan and Wang Kai. Many artistic elements from the two popular works "New God List: The Rebirth of Nezha" and the Chinese comic classic "Big Fish and Begonia" were also unveiled in their own unique ways in the virtual space of DEF CON CHINA Party.

Behind the collision of technology and art, the core tone of DEF CON CHINA Party is still to promote the communication and growth of geeks. During the 10-hour event, security experts from home and abroad gave geeks a number of KEYNOTE keynote speeches, covering many popular areas such as smart device security, satellite communication attacks, and base station anti-counterfeiting detection. The BCTF Baidu Network Security Technology Competition and CONTESTS Experience Hall focus on AI security, focusing on application scenarios and technologies such as autonomous driving and fuzzing testing, and have gathered a number of outstanding teams to carry out competitive and competitive experiences.

As one of the top professional conferences in the field of global network security, DEF CON has a history of 28 years and is called the "Oscar" of the security industry. When Baidu Security and DEF CON teamed up to introduce it to China for the first time in 2018 and held the DEF CON CHINA conference in Beijing for two consecutive years, they set their goal to gather the broadest geek power and help Chinese geeks grow and connect. The most important poles of the global cybersecurity community.

Under the trend of smart economy, another pioneering aspect of this DEF CON CHINA Party is the new VR interactive form.

Based on Baidu's leading AI capabilities and Baidu VR "Xirang" virtual interactive space, integrating customized scenes, multi-person conversations, online communities, point-to-point live streaming, intelligent voice and gesture interaction and other technical applications, it not only allows geeks everywhere to They can communicate and interact freely in the same virtual space, which also shows the future prospects and huge potential of VR in conferences, exhibitions, etc., opening up new horizons and creating new possibilities for the expansion of AI+VR application scenarios. .

Just like the date chosen for the DEF CON CHINA Party, the days have been longer than the nights. Technological innovation and the growth of geeks will bring opportunities to build a more secure network environment. The power of justice will eventually make the darkness nowhere to hide, and DEF CON CHINA will never end.

Pay: Excerpts of DEF CON CHINA Party conversation with Wozniak

On March 20, at the DEF CON CHINA Party hosted by Baidu Security and DEF CON, DEF CON founder Jeff Moss and Baidu Vice President Ma Jie had a virtual conversation with Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak. During the 60-minute exchange, the three "number one geeks" discussed many topics including geek growth, innovation and entrepreneurship, AI, and virtual space. Wozniak also expressed his opinions for the first time in many fields. .

A few years ago, when the electric self-balancing scooter was just launched, Wozniak entered the DEF CON venue on a Segway. It was really geeky, and looking back, Wozniak explained, "Don't worry, I'm just walking around and doing whatever I want to do." ).

? To me, DEF CON Almost Sometimes Means Defeat Contracts. The Rule Bad Rolls, Bad Rule aren't Meant for Us.

? There is a lot of music at DEF CON, and the music is Really Inspiring. I’ve supported a lot of music over the past few years. When I was Young, Music was also an Emotion Attached to the Lyrics.

Music accompanied Wozniak and the initial growth of Apple - Around Time Apple Started Up and I was Doing Some Great Work - We Got Known as Inspiring that Kind of Thinking, and It Kind of Stuck Together Became Part of Our Culture.

? When I started teaching myself how to design computers, I would always put on some rock music at the same time. They are good music, but they were not accepted by the mainstream in the beginning. They came from folk music and are now part of our popular culture.

In fact, I listen to everything, including heavy metal. I like the feeling that it is about to enter your soul but has not yet entered. I Like It When a Music Piece Goes Right into Your Soul Yet to Penetrate), Your Heart Tells You Something.

? The First Day I Met Steve Jobs, He was Sixteen Years Old and Didn 't Have Albums). I showed him all the Liner Notes and the Lyrics to These Bob Dylan records, and from then on, his songs became an important part of our lives. Dylan Songs Became a Big Part of Our Life).

? He Would Take Whatever I Had Created Lately, and He Would Turn It into Money or a Job for Himself). But he didn't know all this when I built my first personal computer and shared all my schematics for free with members of the Homebrew Computer Club. And when I showed it to him, his first suggestion was, maybe we should start a company.

? Apple's first pot of gold came from providing support for audio technology and multimedia (Apple's initially We're Known for the Multimedia Support and Sound with Their Connection There), but with the launch of the Apple II , it contributed almost all of Apple's revenue in the first ten years (It was Going to be All of Our Revenues for the First 10 Years of Apple that One Product). The introduction of the Macintosh has made us very popular among creative people (Our Computers Got a Reputation for being a Popular with Creative People). Some video editing needs can only be completed on the Macintosh, as can Photoshop.

In the 1990s, Wozniak and Apple drifted apart. He said, Don't be Afraid to Go Out and explore anything else that Will Help You Create It Yourself rather than Saying Somebody else Has to Do the Rest of This or the Finishing Part of It).

? What We Started Apple, I Made a Deal with Steve Jobs, I Would Not Run a Company, I'll Run Engineering). That's My Job and I Stay True to that.

? I'm Sort of Lucky Because I Did Not Let the Success of Apple Changed My Values. I Did Not Become a Different Person Who Wants to Maximize My Wealth and My Power and It Just Because I'm in a Higher Position for Having Done Something Important).

? My Happiness Really Didn't Come From What Apple Accomplishments and Success, It Came From Doing Everything I Could). That’s not to say Apple kind of Grew into Something that was Not Myself, but I would never compromise my values ??for it and I Would Never Compromise Some of My Own Values ??of Truth to Try to Run a Company Like that).

? Whether you have lots of Resources or a few Resources, that was Not the Determinate on How You . Looking back, I did two things right. First, I used every component to save costs (I Always Trying to Save Part, Save Costs); second, I did things for Apple that had never been done before (I Had Never Done Them Before and yet This was so Important to Apple When I Did It).

? So, trying new things can stimulate you to think better (Not Having Done Things Before Makes You Use a Good Mind and Think Out), and the best way to achieve it does not come from experience, nor from Not How Have I Done It Before, Not How It is in the Books, which helped me do greater things.

Wozniak’s growth experience is legendary, and the beginning of everything may come from the origin game “PONG” that he and Jobs made for Atari, but Wozniak It doesn’t stop there – remember that Bob Dylan thing I just mentioned? What would it be like Bob Dylan that I mentioned, I mean I hit some magic.

? There had never been an arcade game until the advent of "PONG" as we designed it. Spent 4 days in a Row, We Actually Completed Its, Jobs and I. But, I wonder, wouldn't it be Great If These Arcade Games were Color?

? At that time, I also became an analog signal engineer. No one has ever thought that we can open up digital signals and analog signals - you just put 1100 on the analog line (You Just Put a Number on a Wire Digital Number 1100), it will show up in red. And if you enter 0110, it will appear purple. This is also the source of Apple’s “rainbow trademark” (It Turned Out to be Really the Reason that Our First Logo with 6 Colors).

? If colors can appear in arcade machines, why can't I connect them directly to a digital monitor? The Computer is the Arcade Game, that Meant It was Software. In BASIC, I just type in a few instructions and I can color it, and I can write a game in a day instead of dealing with thousands of wires in an arcade, which is a huge improvement for games. .

In Wozniak’s view, geekery is a truly great art. I was Not Competing with Anyone in the World, I was Competing with Myself and I Got into the Cleverest Little Things.

? You Could Make the Technology Do Things It wasn't ever Intended, and that's what really inspires me. If You Can Do It Better, The Rules Don't Apply. And its motivation comes from the innate curiosity (Motivation Comes From the Innate Curiosity). To a large extent, I grew up this way, Largely.

? Motivations more Important than Skills Some Time. But how do we maintain a level of continued innovation? Part of It is that Some of Us are Born that Way. But did you know that there are many factors in life that undermine your creativity, including the books you read and the movies you watch?

But don't worry, you may not be able to open that drawer, but you can open that door (You Can't Open that Drawer, Can Open that Door).

Today, large technology companies are leading more and more innovations. Is starting a business still a good option? In Wozniak's view, the question is actually less complicated - Can I Do Something That's Important in the World or Can I Do Something I Just Want to Do), that's all.

? I have not been exposed to many computer courses since I was a child, but look what we do and Call It the Whole Digital World. Later, we invented crowdfunding and created the gig economy. These ideas originated from young people. They did not come from people who have successful careers and have nothing to do with your partners. Already Had a Business Going and Tend to Make Your Business Stronger and Better).

? Many times, the key to success lies in whether you want to be different or like everyone else (You Want to be Unusual or Do You Want to be Just Like Everyone else). So If You're Going to Go into Coding, you'd Better be the Best at Doing it, Nobody else in the World Could Generate Any Better Code).

Before Siri was acquired by Apple, it was just a voice assistant application. You know the rest of the story, This is a Good Thing. If You Create Good Stuff, even if it's independent, it's likely to be acquired by a big tech company. But that's an Exit Strategy You Know, and there's a lot waiting for you to explore tomorrow (I Think There's Other Things in the World, You Could Come Up with an Idea Tomorrow).

? It is a good thing to be exposed to AI early. This is the most advanced computer technology. We can do the most incredible things in the world (We Can Do the Most Incredible Things in the World). But we need to understand that machine learning is not like a brain (It's Good to be Exposed to It, But to Understand that It's Like Machine Learning is Not Like a Brain).

We can't rely entirely on technology, you're Focusing on a Very Narrow Slides, So You're Not Going to Get a Big Picture View of Maybe All These of the Whole Field).

Become a teacher? Perhaps this is somewhat contradictory to our usual understanding of this "number one geek". For the past eight years, Wozniak has been both an engineer and a teacher, teaching computer courses from fifth to ninth grade - that is a very important part of my life. For a period of time (That was a Huge Part of My Life), no news was given to the outside world (No Press Aloud), so no one knew what I was doing (Which is Why It's Not Totally Well Known What I Did).

? Devotion to education stems from my love for technology, love for education, and recognition of many online courses (It was also Combined My Love of Technology and My Love of Teaching and a lot of Online Courses).

? In school, I teach students how to use computers to complete homework, not how to be a Computer Geek. And if the school can get some extra funding, it may help a lot, and we can cultivate a lot of geniuses you can imagine (We Turned Out All These Brainiacs You Could Believe). But that didn't happen, and the computer was used as a teaching tool (And That Really Didn't Happen Because the Computer is Just Sort of the Modern Textbook).

In California, its education budget ranks 15th in the United States, but its investment in computer education only ranks 43rd. At my own expense, I sent postcards to everyone in Cupertino, home to Apple, asking them to vote for increased taxes to increase spending on education. Unfortunately, we only received 64% of the votes in support, which was not enough to meet the 67% requirement for the bill to take effect. Of course later on, we made it, in Cupertino, but also in my hometown of Los Gatos.

However, Wozniak is still dissatisfied with the current education model - Why Can't I Study of Things that I Loved Study (Why Can't I Study of Things that I Loved Study), why should I study with other people? Why Does It Have to be the Same as Everyone else.

? We Can't All Go the Same in Different Directions. That's Not the Way Our School , It's Not Affordable).

But if we could all achieve one-on-one teaching, a great teacher could teach you all the way from elementary school to college, allowing you to develop in any direction (A Great Teacher that Could Go All the Way You Know From Elementary School to University and Could Let You Go in Any Direction), instead of judging me by my grades, Education Could be a lot Different.

? Can we do this on a computer? I often wish we could, and I Felt for a While that was a Big Solution to Education Some Day, but now I feel it is not It will happen. Because many skills cannot be used to solve problems, in the technical field, critical thinking skills may be more important (That Critical Thinking Skill in Maybe in Technology Maybe more than that was Well).

? You know Their Core Values ??are being Set by Their Peers. Some methods do teach you to think creatively, but you can’t really control one. You Can't Really Take Over a Persons, Body or Soul. And most people don’t want to be taught this, they’ll say, No! This process itself is also learning and growth (This is the Way Learning is Done).

There is no doubt that AI is changing our lives. In Wozniak's view, we will definitely live with AI in the future (I've Had a Long Relationship with AI), but we must also be aware of its limitations (AI Has Limits).

? When I wrote the first program, I was thinking about the problem between the brain and the computer (I Started Thinking about Brain VS Computer in the First Program I Ever Wrote). Why can humans use computers to solve many problems? Can't Solve It Just on Speed.

? Due to the Limitations of Totally a Human Mind, AI and Machine Learning Makes a lot of Sense. For example, how to design a better wire or component, obviously, Machine Learning was the Answer to That, and Neural Networks were a Big Help.

? Although AI's intelligence is not yet comparable to that of the brain, it is still the most helpful to us (It Doesn't Mean Its Intelligence Like a Brain, But It Can Still be the Most so Helpful We) .

Without it, we just couldn't get by (Without It, We Just Couldn't Get by), and after having it, we can't give it up (How Could We Ever Get by Without It After We Have It).

? We must understand that computers Haven't Lived a Human Life. AI will continue to learn, but human creativity is hard to replace (AI Had to Grow Over Time and Creativity is Hard to Replace).

AI can be the supercomputer Jarvis in "Avengers" or Skynet in "Terminator". Regarding the controversy caused by AI, Wozniak emphasized the importance of "people" - thinking as a "human being" (I Think Something As a Human Being).

? AI allows devices to think for themselves and make high-level decisions. They will continue to mature, and maturing technology will not say to us, let’s go back to the past (It Keeps Growing and Growing Technology Never Says, Let's Go Back). In the eyes of many, this is almost the start of Technology Becoming More Important than Humans and Winning the War (That Would Almost be the Start of Technology Becoming More Important than Humans and Winning the War).

? We live in the Human World, I always feel that we should think things out in a human way (I'm Living in the Human World, I Always Felt We've Got to Think Things Out in the Human Ways). All of our goals are to let technology serve humans and allow humans to live a human life (Let Humans Live a Human Life). We can't always think the way the technology wants (The Way the Technology Wants It), I Took the Side of Human's.

? The AI ??is Really a Reflection, and behind it is the Value System of the Creators. I think the value of AI is to help us achieve human goals (I've Just Thought that AI is We Have a Goal that Helps Humans and I Can Use AI to Implement It), in order to avoid getting out of balance (Get Out of Balance), We should build some kind of auditing or credibility mechanism (I Think There Should Always be Some Sort of Auditing or Credibility) to ensure the transparency of software and algorithms (Transparency), and regulatory authorities should also play a more important role (I Think Government Has a Greater Role).

Relying on the "Xirang" virtual interactive space, DEF CON CHINA Party became the first DEF CON conference held entirely in the VR world.

Wozniak also expressed his expectations for the virtual space built by VR and AR (I'm Looking Forward to It Motions).

? I am a fan of Google Glass. It is a new thing, a new model (Overall), and a new platform (Platform). The same is true for VR. When you enter the VR experience, what you experience is much greater than what words can give you. It's the Feeling yah, and I think we're on a Good Track isn't Going to be Sort of that Period).

? In these Covert Times, I am tired of those online concerts (Maybe We Get These Concerts on Line and They Seem Kind of Dull). But if I Could Just be in Sort of a VR Appearance There that Would be Great.

? Although it still faces a series of issues such as copyright protection and visual effects, and new technologies including VR also have its uncertainties (It's Uncertain), a new Internet is likely to appear in virtual reality. World (How about a New Internet to Point Out Where an Internet too? But It Maybe the Virtual World). Of course, even there, I still need an invisibility cloak (A Cloak of Invisibility) to keep it safe and private (Make It Secure and Private).

? I was wondering in that future (I was Wondering in that Future), that virtual world (Virtual World) or parallel reality (Parallel Reality) future, what role do you want to play (What Role Would You Want to Play in It). It's Going to be a Digital World, and your goal may be to be another version of yourself, rather than being told what kind of person you should be (Not Just Have Somebody Tell Me How to I' d Love to be One Actually Out There).